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December 31, 1969     3 Comments

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  • June 23, 2014 2:50 pm

    So it looks like once you get to approximately the 3600 shot mark, you can start to be reasonably certain of goalie production (between ~.905 and ~.922 on the chart). However, we run into the same problem that we run into when trying to predict player skill - what if their skill level changes over time? The longer it takes to assemble the appropriate sample size, the less reliable that data is. 3600 shots works out to about 2 full seasons. Are goalies really the same player after 2 years that they were at the start? Perhaps in some cases. I think the big takeaway from this is something I've been saying for a long time. Over the course of 100 shots (ie. one week of fantasy play) ANYTHING can happen. The goalie can post .80 or 1.000, and any attempts to predict week-to-week performance is a coin flip. So in head-to-head leagues, should you attribute much value to goalies? I don't think so. At the draft it is better to spend your picks targetting more consistent categories like FW and hits, and then cross your fingers that your bad goalies have a flukey season. (I won 3 fantasy years in a row after implementing this approach, and when I changed my plan last year and picked up a bunch of stud goalies, they invariably were a bust and I lost) Thanks for the article!

  • June 27, 2014 12:36 am

    @Gnial - while anything can happen over the course of a week in fantasy hockey, the coin Henrik Lundqvist is flipping has a different weight than the coin Mike Smith is flipping.

  • July 9, 2014 5:58 pm

    This sort of analysis clearly demonstrates how many shots are needed before a career sv% stabilizes and can be taken as an accurate measurement of the goalie's skill (by that measure), and also the expected variability given a specific sample size. Pretty cool to see - and why I come to LWL :). It'd also be pretty useful to see if certain goalies are under-valued because they had a "bad" year that falls within the expected distribution for the number of shots faced for a single season. You might also get an idea if coaching or team changes have really impacted a player, or if it's just the usual variability of the sample. I'd be interested to see how the distribution/standard deviation around the mean change with variable career sv%. What's your plot look like for a .900 goalie, and a .920 goalie? Basically, can you determine how big a sample is needed before being able to predict the expected career sv% mean (correlating the distribution of a small sample size to the cumulative mean)? It may not be useful (perhaps too many shots are required), but it'd be worth looking into. Even a small correlation would be something. It'd likely be very helpful to track veterans season-to-season to see when they start to have higher variation then you might expect (a sign of decline) or when the distribution starts shifting towards being predictive of a lower career sv%. Maybe just a control chart sort of plot of a moving average (x shots, maybe 1800, maybe more) would be useful in that way (with a line for the career sv%, and a band for the distribution around that mean given the averages sample size).

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